What’s gotten into some corporations these days?
Some are reducing their carbon footprint and reducing waste. Some are demanding ethical behavior. Some are even paying attention to the wages of frontline workers.

In this episode, we discuss the role of attorneys and in-house counsel in the courageous new world of Environment, Social, and Governance Issues, or ESG. And, not to disappoint, I mention a beloved cartoon duck who, when you think about it, raises questions about inclusivity and workplace safety. Throw in the fact that he doesn’t always wear pants to work, and you have an ESG trifecta.

A few questions addressed in this episode: 

  • How can law firms themselves adopt ESG practices, and what role do they play with clients?
  • What are some common pitfalls attorneys should avoid when navigating ESG regulations and standards?
  • How can in-house counsel drive ESG initiatives within their organizations?
  • What role do they play in communicating ESG risks and opportunities to their C-suite and board or directors? What about mitigating risks associated with ESG disclosures?
  • And what about external partnerships and supplier contracts?

Ever wonder why corporations set ESG goals, why ratings matter, or how ratings are calculated?

Listen to my interview with Kai Gray, CEO and co-founder of Motive, an ESG advisory and support service firm, as we explore what ESG is, what it is not, what good it can bring to an organization, and where attorneys fit in.  Kai generously offers his perspective based on more than two decades of work at some of the most innovative companies in the U.S. With 20+ years of senior executive experience at some of the most innovative Technology companies, including Yahoo!, Carbonite, and Western Digital, Kai Gray learned first-hand that markets move fast. Kai Gray leads the advisory and support service firm, Motive, in navigating the rapidly evolving frontier that is ESG.

Kai also reveals the secret to the secret sauce behind compelling corporations to do the right thing!

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Tom Hagy is host and producer of the Emerging Litigation Podcast, now approaching its 120th episode with more than 15,000 downloads, along with thousands of additional views on the HB Litigation News YouTube channel. He edits a litigation blog that ranked as the most read in its category on JD Supra in 2025 and regularly writes about emerging legal issues for the HB website.
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